MS - HS transition

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Christine
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My son will graduate FUMA MS this year. My plan was FUMA for all 4 years of HS. But, this past weekend my son expressed his concern with being a freshman at FUMA. He says the USA’s have told him freshmen year is the hardest HS year at FUMA. He is begging to skip freshmen year at FUMA and attend just 10th, 11th, and 12th. Normally my answer would be “so sad, too bad, you’re going”. That’s what we agreed on. However, times are very tough and financially it would be in my best interest to save the 30k.
His outside interest goals are football, lacrosse and long term West Point.

So, without starting as a freshmen;……?
Is it hard to get accepted into FUMA HS?
Is it harder to make the sports teams?
Would “West Point” still be a consideration with only 3 years at FUMA?

FUMA has brought about great changes in my son. And I will try my hardest not to undo those over the summer and possibly next year. I was also wondering if FUMA would take my husband (a former Marine) and make the same changes? LoL Just kidding - I love him in spite of himself.
As an observer of the military process in all aspects – “consistency is the key”. But that’s just my 2 cents.

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I'll try to gather all the facts and figures to back up my observation, but...speaking anecdotally at least....it appears quite obvious each year that many of our honor graduates and those receiving academic scholarships come graduation time are cadets who have attended since middle school. There appears to be a clear correlation between the number of years a cadet has attended FUMA and their overall academic success and future college opportunities at graduation time.

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Going from Middle School to Upper School is hardly noticeable. Granted he will be a freshman and new to the Upper School but he'll know the basic routine, the drill movements, rank structure, etc. The Middle School students are held in a little higher esteem by the older Cadets than the "brand new" freshman. The only real adjustment is moving into the One Subject academic program.

If anything, your son will enjoy a little more freedom (if you want to call it that) in the Upper School. He'll have more choices in what to do with his free time, have more benefits (like leaving campus, etc), more access to leave and telephone calls, etc.

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I received in my email inbox a note from a retired educator who, although not an alum of FUMA, has been following this board for some time. Although he was reluctant to post himself, he sent me the response he would want to post. It was so good, I've decided to post it on his behalf and thank him publicly for his insights and for his participation here on the FUMA411!

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I have been monitoring your board for a long time, and have not been moved to post until I read the post from the lady considering removing her son from freshman year. This would be my response:

My years as an educator in the public schools have taught me a few things.

The one that most applies here is that when given an opportunity, teens will most always gravitate to the path of the least resistance. If a student is not constantly challenged, they will not ever achieve their true potential.

When suitably challenged, I have seen students achieve far beyond their potential. The public school system, due to large enrollments and limited structure can not truly offer the challenges that our students need. Sure, many of our students succeed, but I have to believe that this is in spite of what we do, not because of it. Peer influences, exposure to negative influences and the inability of parents to fully monitor their teen (despite their best efforts) cause many a promising student to pass by the wayside.

As public school educators, we plant seeds and hope they will take. From what I observe, FUMA plants seeds and are able to witness the growth. Teens grow by facing obstacles and then learning to overcome them. If you allow your son to opt out of what he sees as difficulty, you are in fact teaching him that it is indeed ok to take the path of the least resistance not and later in his life. I have worked with some amazing students, many of whom had great potential and dreams, I have buried a few, visited a few in jail, and for many saw their potential ebb away as they became entangled in negative influences and a victim of poor peer groups. Freshman year seems to be the most formative year in determining how the student will "come out".

This is the year that he will form his circle of friends, and those friends will influence him for the rest of his high school years and beyond. A bad experience here will impact him from now on. When I first started teaching, kids were different. Back in the day, the biggest problems we had was tobacco. When I retired, it was huge amounts of pills and other drugs.

Discipline was a constant problem, and I felt helpless when I saw "good kids" loose their ambitions and dreams, and spend four years learning to do the minimum to "get by". Do you really want to take that chance with your son? School for them became a game of figuring the system, and their ambitions became adjusted down to a fraction of what they once were. This is not to say that I didn't have my success stories, but the number of successes were never what they should have been or could have been, I often thought that if I had they opportunity to teach the students 24/7 the number of successes would have been exponentially higher.

One of my most amazing successes was with a student I involved in aviation. I worked as a night manager in an airport and got him a job there. Despite a poor home life and a negative peer structure, he found a life long interest. I used the money I made at the airport to send him to aviation college and he is now an aircraft mechanic. His high school "friends" are either in jail or dead. If I had the resources and time, others could have had this type of success.

I realize that financially, there is a burden. Your son is very fortunate that he has had the opportunity that many others could use and appreciate.

If you can navigate the financial waters, your son will be on a path to succeed that he would not have in public school. At FUMA he will be surrounded by far more positive peer influences and have a 24/7 focus on his future. While no institution is entirely free of negative influences, his best chance is where he is at

As a parent you need to teach your son to confront his fears and not take the easy way out. One year removed might translate to a number of years lost. While he says he wants to go back after a year, it is very possible that as he becomes comfortable with less structure in his life, he will ague for two years off, then three and so on. Dig in your heals and stick with your original plan. He will thank you in the end!

CPT Dan Thompson
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carolinamom
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MS - HS transition

My son didn't find the freshman year hard at all and he came from public school. He found it rather easy. So I wouldn't be fearful that it is difficult. The difficult part I would think is that there is no electronics allowed for upper school cadets like they are accustomed to in middle school. But he's already used to FUMA so I would think he would do very well.

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MS - HS transition

If you are entering FUMA from public school, Freshman year is the hardest year. If you are moving up from MS, the freshman year is not the hardest.

He already knows the "military discipline", he knows most of the campus, instructors and most importantly he already has friends.

Like Jack, I came from MS (started in 7th) and had no issues with the transition from MS to US. In fact, I found it easier. MS was very regimented compared to US at the time. It may be different now, but it was a relief not to have every movement choreographed.

He has already done the hardest "time". Which are the first years away from home. He has made that adjustment. How hard can the next step be?

Hope it works out for you and he agrees to the best step for him.

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MS - HS transition

I have a senior at FUMA now and have never regretted for a second making the decision for him to return each year. The saying is so true, "If it aint broke, don't fix it." I also have a son who will be attending public highschool in the fall who will be entering 9th grade. He has heard the exact same stories about entering highschool as your son has. Unfortunately, I believe these stories circulate to scare all entering freshman and I wouldn't pay them a bit of attention. My youngest son will be entering middle school this year and is fretting about the wrath of the 8th graders. I only wish that my other two sons could benefit from the wonderful gift that FUMA was given my oldest... soon to be a GRADUATE of FUMA. The decison was hard, and painful at times... but in the end it was worth every penny and every tear!
Good luck in your decision making!
Proud Mom of a soon-to-be graduate of FUMA

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I attended FUMA from 6th grade until Graduation. Making the transition from MS to US was actually very easy for me. The only thing really different is your location on campus! The rules are basically the same. There is absolutely no reason for concern at all.

Jack Starry
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Christine
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Thank you for the advice. I found out who his “TAC” officer is and asked for his assistance. Maybe he can counsel him and help to change his mind. He doesn’t hate FUMA, quite the opposite. It’s more a sense of fear of the 9th grade because of what he has heard. He’s all about 10th, 11th and 12th but 9th is a totally different story. And I can see this overwhelming fear in him and it pulls at my heart strings. If it were an outright “I hate it I don’t want to go…etc.” I could handle that, no doubt he’d be there “shoes shined and all”. But this is a little different and harder for me to be stern with.

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Re: MS - HS transition

Christine wrote:
Would “West Point” still be a consideration with only 3 years at FUMA?

Yeah im sure that as long as hhe keeps his grades up and does not get involved in things he shouldnt then he would still have a good chance of becoming a cadet of "The Long Grey Line".
But then again if he stays at FUMA through out the transition then it would be good because it would help teach him to push through even when times get tough.

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MS - HS transition

Hi Christine,

I am the parent of a cadet who came to FUMA in January of 8th grade and graduated from the MS. During the summer, he fought me tooth and nails NOT to return to FUMA for his freshman year. However, I told him that going to public school his freshman year would be just as hard if not harder than returning to FUMA due to peer pressure, etc. I finally just said you are going. Now it was not easy at first of course, but I stayed on him and his TAC officer kept talking to him plus his involvement in sports gave him the encouragement to complete the freshman year unscathed. Same happened every summer school was out, he wanted to go to public school. I kept convincing him to stay the course and everything will work out. Now he is getting ready to graduate from FUMA with a football scholarship and most of his friends at home have to attend junior college because their GPA's are so low. His friends parents always ask me how I kept him at FUMA and did not let him "talk me out of it". Well my simple answer is, "Because I am the parent and he is the child", which is the same thing I tell him when I tell him "no" about wanting to do something. To me it is all about consistancy. He is now exerting a positive influence on his friends at home, they all ask when is he coming home or when does he have "leave". They know the deal and respect him more than ever.

Please pray over your decision to let him skip freshman year at FUMA. The answer will come. Of course you know all your FUMA family here on the forum will do the same. :)

Sincerely,
Deborah

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Freshman year in high school can certainly be an intimidating thought! Please note that we have an orientation just for current parents on April 10th and I hope you are able to attend. If you have not yet received information regarding this event, please let LTC Feathers know.

Whenever a family asks me how former middles school cadets in the high school program compare with those transitioning in from some other school, I like to point out that there is a measurable increase in the performance of the "old guys" compared with those coming into the program later. I recall that a few years ago, of the the 15 honor graduates, most (I believe it was 12) had been middle school cadets at FUMA).

I am hopeful that a few of the families who have tried the "year back at my old school" (the FUMA boomerang) route might post in the forum and let you know their perspective. Generally, when I hear from those families as they are seeking reenrollment, they tell me it was a mistake to leave in the first place.

To answer your questions:

The admissions process for HS is similar to the middle school process. When you reapply, we will want to make sure the school is still the right fit and that the young man's behavior has been reasonable.

Making teams in the upper school program varies by sport. In general, I believe the coaches give a fair chance to anyone wishing to try out. Simply being an "old cadet" does not mean guaranteed playing time or even making the team.

The service academies are among the most difficult school to be accepted to. I would like tot think that academic consistency would only strengthen a young man's prospects at attending. However, if your son is capable of maintaining excellent grades back home, I would imagine his chances would be similar.

The bottom line is that your son is going to have one opportunity at 9th grade.

I am sure it is no surprise that most of our high school students transition to FUMA after they have already started high school. More often than not, each of those families state that they wish they had started sooner.

I echo Ms. Liles in suggesting a chatwith Dr. Grant regarding this idea.

LTC Stephen M. Macek
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Transition from MS to HS

Your concerns are certainly valid considering the change from MS to HS is always a transition whether in the public or private school setting. As always, FUMA offers an orientation period and addresses many of these parent and student concerns. Continuing along the successful path at Fork Union only builds upon what we are here to do for your son. If you have any questions you can certainly contact John DeVault or Bob Grant in our guidance office, or follow up with Steve Macek in Admissions. Next week we will also have a series of podcasts on the website that will definitely address the questions you are posing here. Consistency is the key as you said. Good luck and we hope you choose the right decision for your son.

Elizabeth Liles
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