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Ok, not one to sit idly and wait for this to be officially discussed, what is the REAl deal on the destruction of Snead Hall? I have to say, I am a traditionalist and am disturbed by the idea.

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This is just the difference between knowing what it's like and what it used to be like. I remember when the new Cadets on my Platoon were treating the redone barracks like garbage. They even made them stop waxing the floors. I spent 20 minutes one day explaining the gas heaters, the partitionless toliets, the small showers. I gave them the appreciation for what they had, and they started treating the place with more respect.
Anyway, the re-done barracks had AC, Heat units, wired cable, new floors, new bath rooms, no more exposed cynder block walls, and so on. It was awesome. I hope the new kids treat it with respect.

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Jay Gwaltney wrote:
Why in the heck would they take these down? Snead Hall was gutted and re-done in 1992. I mean completely gutted.

Average buildings are designed for to last 20 years. Apartments are rehab every 5-7 and hotel rooms are every 3 years. A "brick and mortar" building can only last so long without significant investment. A steal structure with a block veneer can undergo many renovations without significant cost.

With the age of those two buildings and how many renovations they had done to them, their time has come. Regardless of the renovations done in 1992, which was 17 years ago, a building has a limit of cost versus end user value. With the drop in construction cost, the update in life safety and improved living quality it would seem the time is now.

The academy is seeing a surge in enrollment and the barracks should be able to capitalize on this trend. Let's be honest, the single biggest turn off for a parent touring campus would be the current barracks. Eliminate that glaring error and everything else falls into place.

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Dan, not an attack on them. I just have my suspicion based upon the idiots that were there in my time.

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I think your comment a tad unfair to these young men. They are both good, decent kids (zero demerit kind of kids).

Further comments about them are out of bounds....

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CPT Dan Thompson wrote:
Just want to make sure you guys see the announcement of the new barracks that we've just published....

http://www.forkunion.com/news/archives/2009/01/fork_union_mili_3.html

Want to lay odds that both the Jacobson boys are on Battalion Staff when they graduate.

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Just want to make sure you guys see the announcement of the new barracks that we've just published....

http://www.forkunion.com/news/archives/2009/01/fork_union_mili_3.html

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Why in the heck would they take these down? Snead Hall was gutted and re-done in 1992. I mean completely gutted.

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The Citadel...VMI...Goodness virtually every military college and many prep schools like FUMA have multiple companies (batallions sometimes) in one building. This could be a great thing--let's not get away from the idea that FUMA can come out of this better---because I think it will. I would think as long as there was some sort of "common room" for each company it would be fine. I don't see how C and E companies remained very seperate or distinct--but I guess you guys in those companies could give me a better idea.

FUMA has to have an eye toward the future---if we hold onto outdated barracks for the sake of honoring the past the academy could lose its future.

Back in my day...women going into the barracks was considered the end of the world (I was very disappointed when I returned for an alumni day and found women going in and out of the barracks) but I can say I doubt my Mother would have let me go to FUMA if she saw the dumpy rooms in Snead. That was 1985---parents today would even be more repulsed. Remember in the other threads it has been noted how hard we have to compete for students. I can't believe how often they hold admissions fairs and the like these days. Two weeks ago the admissions blog is announcing it STILL isn't too late to get a student in for the upcoming year! Go to wikipedia sometime and check out the number of military academies that used to be.

For my money Fork Union has the greatest "curb appeal" of any school in the country--from the gate on through. Let's not lose the sale when we get the buyers in the house!

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Snead seemed two days from collapse in the mid 1980s. I'm surprised it hasn't collapsed on its on. Memorial Hall wasn't so bad. The main killer was one electrical outlet per room. I was in Charlie Company. I knew a few guys in Alpha, Bravo, and Band but usually only because of sports or class. Your company was your home. I hope the new barracks keeps that "individuality" of each company intact. I got to know a lot of Echo Company (esp. 3rd Platoon) guys as cleaned the same bathrooms and showers together.

Ideally, I hope they build the barracks with "wings" to house each individual company. It won't be the same with Snead and Memorial Halls on campus.

John E. O'Neil III
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Not the same thing. While the companies in Snead where technically attached, they were separated by more than the walls between them. The distance that had to be walked to get to Alpha and Band, let alone Memorial Hall, seemed to make the guys in Bravo that much closer to me. The guys on the section were my family for four years of my life. I wasn't 'best friends' with too many of them, but I knew them and they knew me and that was good enough. I ended up doing things I hated just to be around them (like those never ending football games beside the motor lodge). And my Senior year, they pretended to respect my rank...at times.

I fear that creating one building to house everyone together, even though the intent is to have 'company wings' will destroy one of the few remaining traditions at FUMA. Progress that sacrifices cherished traditions in the name of profitability is hollow. I know Memorial Hall and Snead have more than likely outlived their utility, to create a central dwelling ruins something that has made FUMA work for over 100 years.

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CPT Dan Thompson wrote:

2. The architect's renderings will be made available soon, but rest assured that, just as Snead Hall is one building housing three separate companies, the new barracks will have separate spaces for each company. The configuration is a central hall and then four separate wings flowing out from that, each housing a separate company. So the concept of each company having its own distinct space is being maintained in the new design.

This has been over looked. There is one building for all companies. However, each company will be separate form others. Keeping what is a current tradition and feel.

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I agree with sam that putting all the companies into one barracks would diminish the idea of company competition. Each company had their own domain. It just wouldnt be the same.

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I think Memorial Hall might have cost $12 to build. This one will probably be a bit more expensive.

The naming rights are currently projected to be around $10 million. We have donors and groups of donors (such as some "Class Year" committees like the upcoming reunion groups) currently working to "fund" a barracks room or two at $40,000 each.

We will also be tallying contributions toward the donor's preferred "company" so we might have some competition, say, between Alpha Company and Charlie Company for most funds raised...that sort of thing.

Keep an eye out as some information will probably be mailed out in the next few weeks.

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51%? Is the actual cost of the building in the $10 range? I could go as high as $12...

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Kind of narrows the field...............................

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The current plan, subject to change, is to call it Alumni Hall. There is an opportunity to name the building available to a donor who gives 51% of the building cost.

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I agree 100 % with Crockett Hall!
It would honor two of FUMA's finest.

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Good choice Lawman. I would also suggest, "Crockett Hall". One of the all time GREATS at FUMA.

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I agree that Whitescarver Hall would be an excellent name... but I would also put forth the name Lacy Hall. Colonel Lacy was a fine man who gave many, many years to FUMA. I would be proud of either name.

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Has Fork Union chosen a name for the new barracks? My suggestion is the school name the new barracks Whitescarver Hall.

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Time wears away at everything. As a resident at both Memorial and Snead Halls in the late 70's, I know just how antiquated the facilities were. The renovations and additions made over the following 15 years did much to extend their useful life. But, renovations and retrofitted changes and extensions can do only so much to keep the buildings current. I'll miss them when they are gone, but as long as the new barracks are structurally and aesthetically faithful to the ones they replace, then another century of FUMA cadets can revere them as well.

Matt Naranjo
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I am always gratified that the academy has an eye to the future. I remember 1st Platoon "E" company's floor would shiver and shake when you walked on it. Some would comment that all the coats of wax over the years was the glue that held that floor together.

On the downside, seeing and reading this makes me feel older than the 48, soon to be 49, years that I am pushing.

Richard McCoy
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To address the capacity question, the new barracks will be about the same number of beds as Memorial and Snead combined currently....about 500 upper school beds.

We are not currently at total capacity. We typically have around 550 students come through the upper and middle schools through the course of the year (with rolling enrollments). Our maximum capacity currently would be in the range of 600 students.

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Okay, I'm back for a few minutes between recording the radio shows and editing the radio shows....

1. Yes, Snead Hall has deteriorated so badly that it simply has outlived its useful lifespan. There are many important issues that cannot be adequately and appropriately addressed as it stands now.

Simply put, the barracks facilities (Snead and Memorial) do not meet our standards, and cannot be made to meet our standards through renovation.

The Board of Trustees has examined this subject carefully and thoroughly and determined that the best course of action, and the best stewardship of our resources, is to construct a new facility. The vote on this was unanimous.

2. The architect's renderings will be made available soon, but rest assured that, just as Snead Hall is one building housing three separate companies, the new barracks will have separate spaces for each company. The configuration is a central hall and then four separate wings flowing out from that, each housing a separate company. So the concept of each company having its own distinct space is being maintained in the new design.

3. I understand that the buildings of our campus feel like iconic landmarks that should last forever. I'm inclined to wish that could be so. But, in truth, these buildings each represent a new bold step, taken in faith that the school would have a bright future.

Hatcher Hall was built shortly after the death of founder Dr. Hatcher. According to records, many believed the school would be unable to continue and would simply cease to exist in his absence.

Hatcher Hall was built around 1916 with an eye to creating a building that could serve as the "picture postcard" and marketing image for the school to draw new students. The school's supporters could barely scrape the money together, and the building was built in stages over a few years, with the interior remaining largely unfinished for quite a while. These men and women invested their money in the faith and hope that the school would succeed and outlive its founder and driving force, Dr. Hatcher.

Hatcher Hall joined the school's two original buildings built at the turn of the century -- Snead Hall (a three-story wooden structure near the current location of the old Memorial Gym) and the Armory (a gym-like training facility near the current location of today's Snead Hall barracks).

In 1923, those two original wooden buildings burned to the ground, from a suspected arson. The school year was cut short and it appeared that the school would be unable to open the following year.

Once again, the school's supporters responded swiftly and decisively. What we know now as Snead Hall and the Memorial (or Middle School) Gym were completed in time for the opening of the next school year and Fork Union Military Academy continued to exist.

I thank God that those early supporters stood firm and steadfast, resolved that Fork Union Military Academy would not wither away on their watch. When I think of the hundreds of young men whose lives have been changed for the better by their time here (and those are just the ones I've witnessed in recent years), I thank God for those brave souls who sank their time, money, and love into building a future for this school on top of the dust and ashes of its past.

These iconic structures are not guardians of the status quo. Rather, they stand as a challenge to each succeeding generation to do what is necessary, in good times and bad, to sustain this school for future generations.

It is our time now. We are the sustainers and stewards of this school. We must, as those before us, look not to the past and yearn for what was, but turn to the future and build what will be.

I am eagerly awaiting your comments and reactions. It is important that we have this discussion. Thank you.

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CPT Dan Thompson wrote:

I'm very much interested in hearing reactions, ideas, and thoughts on this particular thread. Let me try to set up the discussion with a couple of thoughts from my own perspective.....

I agree Snead should be left alone, unless it has deteriorated so bad in the 13 years since I graduated. Memorial, or as we referred to as the ghetto, should be gutted and renovated much as Snead was back in Summer of 91.

Is this something that school is looking at to increase beds to house more students? Is the school at full capacity now? I did enjoy the view one got of arriving on campus and seeing Hatcher hall at the end of the circle and the barracks on the right hand side with some of the admin and classroom buildings.

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To have an all inclusive Barracks diminishes the importance of companies. Snead is Alpha, Band, and Bravo. Memorial is Charlie and Echo. It is subdivided further by platoons on the corresponding floor number. And then (at least in Snead) further divided into squads, one being the section and two being the right and left sides of the Annex. How will an all inclusive building maintain that sense of territory? I was 3rd platoon Bravo for three and a half years (my Senior pic shows me as an NCO for 2nd Bravo, a weird situation). I lived on the Section. Those of us on the Section tended to hang together more than we did with the Annex. And more with fellow 3rd platooners than with other guys in Bravo. And more with guys in Bravo than with other companies. And, for me at least, most of my friends outside of Bravo were in either Band or Alpha. Memorial Hall was so foreign feeling to me.

I understand the need for progrees but traditions have to be maintained.

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SamW, thank you for starting this thread while I was dragging my feet and trying to hold on 'til graduation before I thought about anything else. I do need a "nudge" from time to time! :lol:

And thanks David for stepping up to the plate and helping explain things in a nutshell.

I'm very much interested in hearing reactions, ideas, and thoughts on this particular thread. Let me try to set up the discussion with a couple of thoughts from my own perspective.....

Oops, I have to go record radio shows right now, but I will return to this topic to post some thoughts in a little bit.....

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I figure you can't stop progress but the campus will never be the same.

1985-1991

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While agree that FUMA has to be able to compete with more modern schools, there is a sense of tradition that makes FUMA the special place it is. Snead Hall is certainly antiquated, but it just bothers me that we are willing to turn our backs on the past for the promise of the future. JUst my opinion, of course.

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Hate to say it, but my post should have said..."where the Maples once stood".

They took her down years ago. She was in really bad structural shape. A beautiful building though.

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Agree Snead and Memorial have to go. However, removing the Maples should be "Off limits". "Old Girl" is an historic late Victorian and must be preserved. During my time at FUMA it was the Infirmary. Spent my entire 4 yrs in Snead. Wooden windows - A/C = open the wooden windows. Compared to the way it was, it is now the "Ritz". But I agree, it has to go. But save the Maples. Don't throw out the baby with the bath water.

Cheers, Joe K '55

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In a nut shell, the Academy needs new barracks. So if new barracks are to be built, where and what do they do with the old. There is not enough time to tear down the old and build the new on top.

With that in mind. They are wanting to build a new all inclusive barracks, for the entire upper school, where Retan hall aka. "the Maples" use to stand. Between the academy road the the outdoor track. Removing Snead and possibly Memorial hall will expand/ open central campus. Possibly leaving room for future class room growth.

I may have left out some details, but the desire is to get the barracks off the circle and open the central campus.

David Fleenor
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