Floor wax (thanks to Marvin Moy, MD)

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Ok, Johnson's (in the yellow can) or that white stuff in the orange can? What's the preference?

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Shiny Shoes

I had to grin at first when I saw how you addressed me: by my last name! I didn't realize until years later how unusual that was. A friend of mine commented on how we referred to each other by our last names: I simply explained that because it was a military school, that's how we were called, it's what was on our name tags, and that's how we knew each other.

As to your comments: the deodorant pads were something like "Secret" or "7-Day Deodorant Pads." In any case, like you, I only used them once.

Your story about Taylor with his incredible shoes, reminded me of my upper school B Company commander at the time. This guy had the most INCREDIBLE spit-shined shoes that I've ever seen to this day. About 20 years later, I spotted him behind the counter at a 7-11. Although I smiled that here was this hot-shot co commander -- and I a 4-yr PFC (if you include 8th gr) -- he was the one with the less than glamorous job (not that a job indicates one's worth nor is working at a 7-11 not a good public service.) I just meant that the Company Cdr at FUMA were gods in a sense, but that didn't seem to necessarily predict one's future position in life...lol.

HOWEVER, despite all that I just said, I s-t-i-l-l had to ask him that one question that haunted me during my days at FUMA: "How the hell did you ever spit-shine your shoes so incredibly well?" I thought for sure, he'd cough up the secret now (I was in the Army then and thought I could use that trade secret...finally.) His reply along the lines was something to the effect that it wasn't any secret: just hard work.

I didn't believe him (not that it wasn't true.) After all, that's how I remembered this guy: from his shoes!

Another related story was when I served as a PR man/Narrator for the Army's Golden Knights Parachute Team. We would spend many long hours on various aircraft going to air shows around the country (and overseas too.) During one long trip, one of my teammates, a "Black Hat" (Airborne School instructor) -- w/o my knowledge -- took just ONE of my shoes and polished it to a shining gleem like you wouldn't believe. I was sleeping on that flight at the time.

When we got off the plane, here were local politicians, news folks, VIPs and the like to greet us. I quickly scrambled to get myself together. I put on my spit-shined shoe and looked hopelessly for my other one. "I can't find my shoe, " I desperately said to no one in particular. "No, Hodges, THAT one over there is yours!" I looked at a barely polished OTHER shoe in surprise. "But it can't be!" (or words to that effect.) "No, Hodges, you shined that one with a Hershey Bar it seems," quipped the 'Black Hat,' we shined the other word to standard. Better get it to standard too pretty quick."

So as I stumbled out of the aircraft steps to meet the line-up of VIPs, I couldn't help but glance down at my own shoes and notice the contrast: one gleaming for all it's worth in the bright daylight sun...and the other looking like I had crapped on top of it!

And finally, this thought: think of all the wasted time we spent buffing floors and shining shoes. Not too long after I joined the Army, the came out with Cordovan shoes that didn't need to be spit-shined. Now...about a year or so ago, they came out with our new combat boots. Yep, you guessed it: brown non-shine boots...desert colored!

Guess it kept us out of trouble (listening to Pink Floyd, not going to concerts, nor doing the "normal" things most teenage boys of that era did!)

P.S. What years were you there?

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Hodges,

I remember both well. I don't remember the brand of the pad, but the stockings were funny. I asked my mom to send up a pair of her old stockings and I remember the silence on the phone to this day! After I explained it, she was glad to do so, but I don't think they worked as well as simply doing the hard work with a soft T-shirt and being done with it. I am not sure the pads actually worked either, but I remember using them once or twice. One of my Jr. School roommates was a "lifer"--Taylor, I think--and could spit-shine shoes to an amazing gloss in >5 minutes. He would show you how, but he would not do them for you. I do remember that once you got the shine on them that, if you did them often, it would come right back. Fun times, right?

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Richard

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Spit Shine shoes

Does anyone remember during the 60s using certain underarm deodorant pads that would really get your shoes to sparkle if you were in a hurry -- BUT, god forbid it rained, your shoes were cake: they became clouded over.

I even carried a WOMAN'S STOCKING -- I kid you not -- with the foot cut off. We'd hide them in our covers and they could TAKE A NICK out of a spitshined shoe w/o ruining the spit shine.

I even used them in Basic Training until the Drill Sergeant one day saw the end of the stocking haning out of my pocket. He was convinced I was a perv or some sort. That ended that!

There were all sorts of secret potions, some that came issued by commercial vendors (instant spit shine, etc) that I found worthless. Some cadets would heat up their Kiwi shoe polish, convinced that it brought the "good stuff" to the top or made the polish some how better.

WHAT SECRETS DID YOU ALL HAVE??

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Waxed floors and SPIT SHINED SHOES

And yes, even this just-retired Army Soldier would oft think to himself, "Hah, we had shinier floors than that at FUMA."

To this day, when I see some janitor or cleaning person waxing a floor, I always make sure that I tiptoe around the edges. I know, I've been where they were. They're stunned that I do it and appreciate that I care. I simply smile and say, "I've done my time waxing floors."

At least in the Army we had electrical buffers: I think FUMA needs to free up some cadet time and go to those.

And waxing floors for Jr. School -- that's nearly criminal. These were the kinds of things, looking back, that I'm not sure were productive to the EXTREME -- like spit shining!

Now that, my friend, was my obsession to some degree. Thank god the Army went to cordovan dress shoes many years ago and to non-black UNshinable brown boots a few years ago (though a part of me was proud of my spit-shined boots, I hate to admit. FUMA vestige I suppose.)
Worse of all: all that time buffing floors.

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Ha! John was cheatin with the plastic shoes!

I do remember the Bowling Alley wax doin a heck of a job on shoes... But if you did it too much, the leather would eventually crack. You could always tell those guy by their combat boots... Shiny toes, but the soft leather behind it looked like sandpaper!

Jack Starry
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saputon wrote:
StarryJT wrote:
I have to admit...every once in a blue moon I will go to the store and crack open a can of Kiwi Black and get a sniff...brings back memories of twisting a t-shirt scrap around my right index finger, licking, dabbing and polishing!

HAHA!!!...my wife thinks that I am a freak because I still do that when I shine my shoes (which is quite often). I have had so many people comment on them. They say the first thing people look at is your shoes. Funny how the lessons learned a long time ago stick with you.

Does anyone remember who had the electric buffer? I remember that it was a real treat to get a hold of that. I remember it being in Echo Company. Was it for use for the company common areas or something like that?

Nick

I think an individual cadet owned the buffer. Wasn't it Gallegos? I remember watching the Echo guys using that buffer on the hall floor and getting ticked off as we in Charlie scooted around on our carpet squares.

The Johnson's Wax did have a wicked smell but the Bowling Alley Wax did shine better. I spitshine my shoes at least once a week. I remember someone in my platoon had the great idea to use Future Liquid Floor wax on his shoes until one day the leather basically disolved. I also tried cheating by buying Chor-Fams (the shiny, plastic, no-shine shoes) until the first Parade weekend where my feet BAKED under the hot May VA sun.

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Upper School 1986-1989

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StarryJT wrote:
I have to admit...every once in a blue moon I will go to the store and crack open a can of Kiwi Black and get a sniff...brings back memories of twisting a t-shirt scrap around my right index finger, licking, dabbing and polishing!

HAHA!!!...my wife thinks that I am a freak because I still do that when I shine my shoes (which is quite often). I have had so many people comment on them. They say the first thing people look at is your shoes. Funny how the lessons learned a long time ago stick with you.

Does anyone remember who had the electric buffer? I remember that it was a real treat to get a hold of that. I remember it being in Echo Company. Was it for use for the company common areas or something like that?

Nick

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I have to admit...every once in a blue moon I will go to the store and crack open a can of Kiwi Black and get a sniff...brings back memories of twisting a t-shirt scrap around my right index finger, licking, dabbing and polishing!

Jack Starry
Junior School 1982-1985
Upper School 1985-1989

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BTait1983 wrote:
Gar....nice photo, but that's not the bowling alley wax I remember using.

Well friend, thats what they sell in the Cadet Store now. I arrived there as Dr. Moy was using a point and shoot. So I, with my handy Canon D5 sporting a 70-200mm IS 2.8f offered to capture the moment; that ofcourse being the finest photograph available of what was in stock.

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I recall it coming in a orange can. The Johnsons buffed in quicker but was a poorer quality shine. I was in the Jr. school when you could remove a few demerits from your tally by having the shiniest floor on your hall during the weekend inspection. Let's just say I got pretty good at it. :D

1985-1991

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Gar....nice photo, but that's not the bowling alley wax I remember using.

Anyone else remember the rumors of the wax being used for more nefarious purposes than shining floors?

Bruce Tait
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:D Oh the flashbacks!!!! Here's another for you all...
The sites and smells of wax and of course we can't forget the smell of good old Brasso... :shock:

Man did that stuff smell!!! It could burn the hairs out of your nose!!! :lol:

I remember my first year at FUMA, somebody came up to me and shoved a can of Brasso under my nose while we were in the study hall and I took a whiff of that and tears came pouring down from my eyes... but it cleared the sinuses real quick... although my brain hasn't been the same since... ha, ha, ha!! :lol: Well it sounded like a good reason anyway!!! :wink:

SFC RT Coleman
Jr School '72-'74

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Nice pic! I like the composition of the colored sponges.

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Gar, I spoke to Jake about using a high end wax on shoes and he said the best is plan old shoe wax. He makes $5 on shinning a pair and is fast at it.
Another good wax that I think may be good is Guardsman polish.

Jake liked meeting you and Dave.

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Dave,
You could start making extra $$$ by undercutting the Cadet Store, however; I imagine your wax is more expensive than theirs. I would use the Renaissance brand of microcrystalline wax myself...the only approved preservation wax used by the Smithsonian on metal, glass and ceramic tile - though it is considerably more expensive than either your offering or that of the Cadet Store. I wonder what it would do on blackened shoe leather?

Again a real pleasure to meet you and your son this last weekend.

- Gar Travis
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Gar, Good photo.

I never thought of giving Jake a past wax to use. I have always used Butchers Bowling ally wax, non yellowing.

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Great photo!

My son enjoyed meeting you this past weekend. He even whipped your card out from his wallet when he told me about you. He lives in your old room on the first floor of Bravo. Thanks for brightening his day with good stories :lol:

Proud Mom of Dillon Hatch, previous cadet now venturing into pubic school...proud to be from FUMA!
Go FUMA Swimming!!

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:lol: Oncearunner,
You know that is way too funny I do the samething!! :lol:
It's funny how the little things always follow you in life!! Of course it wasn't a little thing then to walk down the middle of the hall...

SFC RT Coleman
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to this day I have trouble walking down the middle of a polished floor. I walk along the sides.

David Fleenor
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Good evening to all! Hope to see you at Alumni Week-end Class '88!

Wax topic--My roomate, John Hunter, and I were crazy enough at the time to spit shine the floor on occassion. Johnson's was the very best wax made for a good old fashion spit shine!

Nark can verify!

Gowdy '88

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Marvin--Interesting that you had to wax in the AM. As I remember it, and it has been since the late '50s, we waxed in the PM and on Saturday, but I may have that wrong. I know that it rotated around the room--we had 3 in those days in each Jr. School room, and I believe 3 in the Upper School. Officers got 2 to a room, I think, and there may even have been a few singles back then. Of course, we waxed the officers' rooms for them--it was part of the tradition(?) back then, I think. Funny how the memories of skating around on rectangles of old blanket are right there, but the kind of wax (yellow can??) and the actual doing of it are not. I guess getting old has its benefits after all!

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Wax Fumes??

I spent my 7th and 8th grade in the junior school before going to the upper school and every $%$*@ morning. I lived on B-2 and B-3 and we'd had to get up, use the bathroom then wait in line at a large utility sink to wet the waxing rags and wax the floors -- on our hands and knees -- in the morning prior to shower and breakfast. Never quite got all the wax residue in the shower. My hands consistently smelled like wax at breakfast the first two years at FUMA's junior school.

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Oh the smell of wax. I laid down my share of half coats and full coats in my day think i laid more wax on the halway than I put on my floor. I liked the Jonsons it seemed to work better lat longer. For christmas for several years I recieved a number of cans I still have a few left and when I see them it brings back fond memories around 7pm on a warm moist night the wonderful smell throughout the baracks and the sound of the O.Cs shoes squeeking on it.

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I remember my first can of Bowling Alley wax back in 1982... I cracked that lid and made the mistake of breathing deeply immediately after.... I had to go see Mrs Crockett...

Jack Starry
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Upper School 1985-1989

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What a slippery subject. In the mid 50's, the wax of choice was "Old English". Don't remember who made it. Did a great job. Hard on the Army blankets. When the twist came out, FUMA cadets had a "leg up" on everyone else. Cheers

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Well I'm glad you didn't say Bayer Asprin or Tylenol?
I waxed for eight years...of course you've been to mediucal school. It's Coca-Cola for me and Johnsons wax. :roll:

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Pepsi or Coke??

I've used both the regular FUMA PX issue Bowling Alley Wax and the "Johnsons" had more of a paste-like consistency while the FUMA issue stuff was a little harder in consistency. The Johnson's stuff seemed seemed to last a little longer as well....just my 0.2 cents

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I preferred Johnson's, as well. MAybe it was just a bit of snobbery; Johnson's cost more than the other. John Tullous brought some stuff back once that worked better and lasted longer than either of the two brands available at FUMA, but I can't remember it for the life of me.

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SamW wrote:
Ok, Johnson's (in the yellow can) or that white stuff in the orange can? What's the preference?

I'm fond of the yellow can with eight years of experience.

- Gar Travis
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Do you find yourself noticing a nicely shined floor?
My son is currently a cadet. He comments fairly often on a nicely shined floor.

Proud Mom of Dillon Hatch, previous cadet now venturing into pubic school...proud to be from FUMA!
Go FUMA Swimming!!